Kojic soap, HIV symptoms, 3 weeks exposure. scared

Originally Posted: 
Monday, April 16, 2012
Question: 

On March 26, I was drunk and high.  I went out and had sex with CSW,older gal.  Before that 2-4 days ago I was using Kojic Acid Soap to help clear my dark inner thighs and grion.  The soap left burning sensation... So we went to her place.  She performed unprotected oral for about about 1min.. then I noticed exposed blood between her thumb nails, on the sides.  Stupidly I still proceeded, but told her not to touch my penis.  I had sex,  she was on top. My penis was not fully ercted., she was dry.  I played with her vagina on the outside not in.  I felt some fluids.  After that I pulled off the condom and ejaculated.  She uses but I am not sure what type of drugs and assume she was positive when you answer my question.

I was wondering, is the burning sensation from the Kojic acid soap considered open wound/scars possible enough for exposure? Also, I had a red bump deep in my inner thigh like a hair gland infection or boil, I don't know if was busted or not.

Does it matter if she was dry mainly, does that affect my chances of getting anything?

After I pulled off the condom, I had some fluids on my finger and hands. Could that cause infection if I had open pours or scars from the Kojic soap?

I've been dealing with a lot of stress and depression from work, family, freinds.  I feel guilty has hell right now.  2 weeks after this possible exposure I developed symptoms. I had a mild fever, bone chills, night sweats, sore throat (strep?), runny nose, lost of appeitite, lose stool. I still have the runny nose and cough and canker soares back of mouth.  During this time I was really stressed out.  Smoking and drinking heavily.  Weather was changing. I started to notice me getting sick.  a few days before that like 3 days beforehand.  the weather was changing its cold warm cold.  But when I got the cold I didn't use a blanket to go to sleep for a couple of days after the incident.

Someone please help access my likely hood, and tell me wether these symptoms are related to hiv symptoms? and is making out with someone after recent exposure could cause exposer to them? Doctor opions are really wanted and everyone else.

Thanks to all 

Answer: 

Hello and thank you for using AIDS Vancouver as your source for HIV/AIDS related information

I would like to note that we are not medical professionals here at the Helpline however we are well trained in HIV/AIDS and related information. As such, we will do our best to address the questions and concerns that you have. 

Firstly, I would like to point out that occupation, gender, age, ethnicity or sexual preference do not matter for the transmission of HIV, but rather activities do (e.g. unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse or sharing needles). So, it is great to hear that you used protection as that makes HIV transmission quite low risk (assuming she was in fact, HIV+).

HIV cannot get through a latex or polyurethane condom- no way, no how. That is why using protected remains the most effective way to protect yourself and your partners from all STIs, including HIV. If the condom you used during intercourse was used properly, and did not slip off, break or fail in some way, then your risk for this sexual encounter would be extremely low. Although HIV transmission is not likely to occur with protected intercourse, it is still regarded as low risk due to human error & condom failure.

With the sex worker's thumb nails having dry blood, this would not be regarded a risk for even if the blood had been HIV positive, the virus only lives outside the body for a little more than a few seconds to minutes. In addition, HIV+ blood or sexual fluids on the shaft of your penis poses no risk. HIV transmission required that blood to have direct access to your blood stream (in this case, the urethra in your penis). That is why hand jobs and mutual masturbation are considered no risk for HIV transmission.

In the case of the burning irritation experienced due to the Kojic soap, irritated skin coming into contact with a possible HIV infected fluid presents no risk of HIV transmission. The only time when there is a possibility for HIV to be transmitted, in theory that is, is when bodily fluids come into contact with a fresh and open cuts/sores on the skin (you would have to be actively bleeding). 

Regarding the symptoms you are experiencing, they could be from a number of different things because HIV symptoms mirror those of other viral infections. For HIV, symptoms usually manifest about 2-6 after an infection, but a lot of the times they do not occur at all. Therefore, this is why testing is of essential importance in finding out an HIV status. I would recommend that you seek assistance from a doctor or health care professional to address your symptoms. In addition, although this experience is quite low risk for HIV acquisition, we do encourage everyone who is sexually active to get tested regularly since testing is the only way to know. You can get an accurate HIV test as soon as 4 weeks post exposure and that will give you an excellent indication of your current status. Re-testing at 12 weeks will yield conclusive & definitive results.

To summerize:

  • A person (such as a sex worker) is not high risk. Only activities can be deemed high or low risk, not people
  • Kojic soap does not increase your risk of acquiring HIV
  • Recieving oral sex is negligible risk for HIV transmission (no one has ever aquired HIV through this activity)
  • Blood on the side of her thumb nails does not pose a risk of HIV transmission. Your skin is an excellent barrier to HIV & HIV requires direct access to the blood stream. Touching HIV+ blood is no risk for acquiring HIV
  • No one has ever aquired HIV from fingering (giving or recieving) so playing with the outside of her vagina is negligible risk as no one has ever acquired HIV this way
  • Protected vaginal sex is low risk, regardless of how wet or dry she was
  • An open cut/sore is something that is very obviously bleeding. If you were not, I would not concern yourself with this
  • It is impossible to diagnose an HIV infection from symptoms. Testing is the only way to know

Smoking and drinking heavily do often lead to flus, colds and other illnesses & stress also contributes to many of the common symptoms you have described so that quite likely that there are other things which may have caused these prolongued symptoms. That said, if you are unsure of your HIV status and it is an additional point of anxiety and concern for you, I would encourage you to get tested so that you can know for sure and move forward from this exposure. 

 

If you have any further questions please feel free to email or call us.

In Health,
Darrien
AIDS Vancouver Helpline Volunteer
E-mail: helpline@aidsvancouver.org
Phone (Mon-Fri 9-4pm): (604) 696-4666
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